Controversial Truth Podcast- Episode 1

Inaugural episode for The Controversial Truth Podcast debuted on July 4th, 2012.

13 Responses to Controversial Truth Podcast- Episode 1

  1. CanadianArcticPaleo says:

    This podcast was a great idea guys – you and Robb have a dynamic that is highly intelligent, funny, and easy to listen to. I will definitely tune in every two weeks!

    Just for a headsup – will it take a while for the podcast to register with itunes? When you search “the controversial truth” on an iphone, it’s impossible to find.

    • Joebert says:

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  2. Whitney says:

    I like the message(s). I too have trouble defining my ‘politics.’ As a small business owner and someone diagnosed with a disease (that I cured using the autoimmune protocol of paleo) I have experienced fallout from the amazingly bad policy coming out of today’s white house. I am a huge fan of Neal Boortz who is retiring this year. This podcast will be a great addition to my list of things to listen to after he is gone. Even though I will be listening to it before he is gone… you know what I mean. Thanks for the effort, I look forward to hearing how this will evolve. Will you be talking about things like the raw milk debacles? I love what you did in Reno, how is saving that city so much money not a national news story?

  3. Anonymous Jen says:

    Hi Dave and Robb,

    Thanks for doing the podcast. I’m glad I found it (via Robb’s site), as I’ve just recently become more tuned in to what’s going on with politics, and incredibly frustrated trying to figure out how to become involved. (And Robb, I love your book/website, and am glad you’re becoming more vocal in politics!)

    Dave, I wanted to comment particularly on the obesity discussion and your comment about being unpatriotic. I’m not mad, and I don’t blame you for you thoughts, but I hope that my comments and experiences might help you see what it’s like from the other side.

    I’ve struggled with my weight for nearly as long as I can remember. Here is some of what I have experienced as an overweight woman:

    – Trying to take a walk, and being spit on by people in cars.

    – Trying to take a walk, and having people in cars throw ice/water/soda at me.

    – Trying to take a walk, and having (what I assume was teenage boys) yell rude, hurtful things at me from their car (e.g.: “fat, stupid b***ch”.)

    – Just this morning, seeing somebody in a forum say that we can solve obesity by “cutting off their hands and sewing their mouths shut”.

    – Having tried to live off 1000 calories a day, for extended periods of time.

    – Having exercised to the point of exhaustion/injury to try to lose weight and get fit. Until I finally FELL walking and severely sprained an ankle, which took much longer than it should have to heal, because my body was completely beat down from the lack of calories and exercise. Note: The amount of exercise wasn’t anything most people would consider excessive. My goal was 4 days at the gym, and I was doing about an hour of cardio each day.

    – Constantly seeing uninformed comments online that boil down “fat people suck and are stupid, all they have to do is stop eating so much.”

    – Starting paleo, being about a month in, feeling good and losing weight… and having somebody SHAME you publically for not eating a piece of cake at a party. Note, I had started losing weight, but was still within the “obese” BMI range, so it’s not like I was a starving waif at the time. I was told that I was “ruining the party.”

    As to why people keep eating crap that makes them fat, and your comments about whether it’s because of our health care/insurance. I don’t think that’s it (I don’t think there’s that much thought put into the way most people eat.)

    I did very much appreciate Robb’s comments on palatability, personal differences in sensitivity to sugars, and psychological issues. I think that all gets it exactly right. Especially regarding psychological issues. I think that there are alot of people (including myself) who probably have a sensitivity to sugar, live in a country where foods are engineered to hit that “sweet spot” (no pun intended), and also rely on food as a drug to help regulate unpleasant emotions.

    In some cases, I can’t help but wonder if maybe being obese and eating crap is actually better than the alternative behaviors that we might see in these cases: illegal drugs, alchohol, self-injury/cutting. I wonder if you would consider alchoholics and addicts to be “unpatriotic” as well? Don’t they incur health costs, as well as additional costs due to criminal activity with drugs (i.e. jail costs, thefts, injuries during thefts, crimes committed while high, etc?)

    It feels to me, and I apologize if I am misreading, that by saying it’s “unpatriotic” to be obese, you are attempting to shame people in an attempt to get them to clean up their act. Would you expect that to work with an alchoholic? I don’t, because the combination of things causing the alchoholism tends to be stronger than something that can be solved with shame. In fact, because the food or alchohol is being used as a drug to mitigate feeling awful, I would submit to you that shaming might even INCREASE the behavior (“He’s right, I’m an unpatriotic schmuck – well, now I feel even MORE depressed, guess I’ll have some cheesecake.”)

    I should say that despite all of this, of course I believe that weight and fitness are a personal choice/responsibility. That’s why I keep trying. That’s why I keep reading, learning, and have now found paleo/low-carb. I really wish that I had a happy success story to finish this off, but not yet. But, it’s definitely a “work in progress”.

    (And yes, I’m trying to find a therapist to fix all the emotional stuff, which I expect will make the physical stuff easier. Having had pretty rotten therapy experiences in the past, this is difficult, but again, I persist.)

    Thanks for reading this, and I hope I’m not coming across as attacking you. I very much enjoyed the podcast, and look forward to more – but really wanted to share this perspective. I’m not sure that people who haven’t experienced some of the issues with obesity fully understand many hurtful actions/comments overweight people are subjected to, how hard some of us have tried to fix the problem, and how hopeless it can feel. Especially in a world where most doctors and nutritionists are giving out advice that is doomed to fail (“eat more grains” and “avoid fat” that you hear before you learn about paleo.)


    • dduley says:

      It’s an honor to have someone like you listen to our podcasts and to take the time to write such a thoughtful email. I am sorry if any of my comments came across as “shaming” or making you feel bad. My goal is always to challenge common perceptions and sometime “reframe” perspectives. It works for some people, it fails for others (like most things in life.) Thank you for your insights and input into your tackling and proactive behavior to get to a healthier weight. I do agree that anyone willingly participating in bad behavior that cost the citizenry $$ and human resources is NOT patriotic in a time when government from the Fed all the way down to local is on the brink of financial insolvency. We all must do better and battle our demons. I know I am trying to and I am excited that you are doing the same. Robb and I discussed your post and we both love it and wonder if you would be open to being a guest on our show some time. You can remain completely anonymous if you want. Just shoot me an email at to let me know your thoughts. No worries either way. I PROMISE TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD that it will not be a forum to attack or question your struggle but to learn your perspective and ideas for a solution. We would be honored if you join us. Most Sincerely, Dave and Robb

  4. Evan says:

    David & Robb,

    Like the concept here, but you guys need to focus…LOL.
    Why not pick a topic and with several real world examples to make your points.

    I like the QA format of the Paleo Podcast.
    I also like the format use on the Cato Events podcast and Econtalk podcat.
    Those are my favorite podcast by the way.
    I hope to add this one to the list.

  5. Anonymous Jen says:

    Hi Dave,

    Thank you for the response, and to being open to hearing my take on all this. It’s much appreciated, and I’m glad to see you guys are not into shaming people. As I said, I’m 100% with you that it’s an issue of personal responsibility.

    I’m truly flattered, and honored, and a bit speechless that you’d consider me to be on your show! And, there’s part of me that would love to – but honestly – I’m a bit terrified. I’m still trying to sort through my issues, and one of those appears to be “being visible”. I’d probably just freak out and go into turtle mode 😉 which would not be very useful for you guys.

    That said, if you ever want to chat informally (not recorded) about this stuff, let me know, I’m happy to do that.

    One other thought I had about obesity (and all the other unhealthy behaviors that people get stuck in)…

    I think sometimes, it’s a matter of priorities. I think that for most people, they are using the problem behavior to cope with other, bigger issues. To someone on the outside, it doesn’t make sense, because we can’t see the bigger issues in their life.

    It’s kind of like… you’re out walking, and come across a frantic person. Half of their leg is chopped off, and looks like it’s been festering for a couple days.

    Of course you immediately think that this person is crazy. Who in their right mind would wait days to get medical attention for something so serious? They may end up losing their entire leg to infection, and at the least it will be more expensive to fix, and probably take longer to heal. That’s irresponsible and not so bright.

    So you ask the person, “what were you thinking? Why didn’t you go to the hospital immediately? Come on, get in my car and I’ll take you now.”

    And their reply, “I would have gone, but I’ve been trying to escape the crazed, ax-wielding maniac that broke into my cabin and did this to me – I’ve spent the last 3 days in the woods, dragging myself away, listening for him and trying to figure out how to get as far as possible.”

    The chopped off leg is certainly important, critical even. But, it’s meaningless if this person can’t solve the more pressing problem of escaping their would-be murderer!

    Context matters, and not only can we not see alot of what influences other people, but sometimes I think they can’t see it themselves (ever see someone who is clueless about their bad dating patterns?!)

    So, how do we help?

    – Provide good, solid information that doesn’t make people feel like idiots. I feel incredibly lucky and grateful that in the paleo community we have an abundance of very smart people doing this!

    – Provide a place for communities to form. The community hopefully acts as a way to support each other, provide more information, watch how other people have overcome their struggles, learn from others, and maybe solidify your new healthy values.

    – Help people find better ways to cope! I think this may sound a little crazy, but what does a person do when, for example, chocolate is the only thing that’s giving them any positive feelings in their life?

    It’s obvious that that’s not a healthy or satisfying way to live, but it’s like having a bench with just the one support under it. If you cut out that support, you need something to replace it. Or, you leave people in an unbearable state of pain that causes them to fail with the new diet, and fall back into their old habits for “comfort”.

    – Help people get help for the underlying problems, so the unhealthy behaviors become unnecessary. It makes sense to me that if someone gets to a point (through therapy, I assume) that they’re truly happy with themselves and their lives, content, joyful, authentic, connected… all that good stuff… that the food issues would be much more easy to solve. Essentially, help people get rid of the crazy ax-wielding maniac, so they can focus on the next issue.

    Thank you again for reading, and for your openness as well. And, sorry for these being so long… there’s obviously alot bouncing around in my head on these issues right now, both personally (how do I fix my own life?) and more globally (how can I help fix the problems our country is facing?)

    Take care!

  6. Blair says:


    I appreciate your proactive approach and I eagerly await the next podcast.

    Do you have any resources specific to using ‘I Can Fix America’ in the teaching of high school level civics? I can’t think of a more relevant approach to fostering citizenship. Your presentation of individual “Issues” and your weekly assignments could easily serve as lesson plans.

    I will be passing along the book and any other resources to my daughter’s civics teacher and I encourage other parents of teens to do the same.

    I think the pinnacle of nurturing children is to guide them toward self-sufficiency.

    Live Easy,

    • Justtin says:

      Tony / Matt This stuff really is a game ceanghr for me. One of my buddies did a similar thing and dropped 17lbs and is still going. For a person coming from a standard American diet, there is great potential in not only weight loss, but also in overall health. For me, I became convinced by reading The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf. Excellent book that outlines science nerd stuff and also keeps it practical and light. If you’re really itching to dive in, I’d take a look at that book. Of course Sisson’s book on Primal is an excellent source of info as well. The only thing I struggle with is eating enough carbs..Lots of veggies and a bit more fruit than Wolf would recommend, but I’m noticeably tired if I don’t eat enough carbs. Shakeology has helped this as well since switching to a more Primal approach.

  7. William L says:

    I get the feeling that you guys really need to substantiate your claims about public healthcare by looking at countries that actually implement it for their citizens.

    If my family was to move to America we would live far below the poverty line. As students with a child we pull in about 360 bucks a week. More than half of that goes on rent, the rest on food and transport to school. Yet here we don’t need to waste money on insurance (we did, until we tried to use what we’d been paying for and got denied) and our healthcare and education before high-school is paid for by the taxes we pay. If these were not covered by the government we could literally not afford to get sick.

    In New Zealand we just do not earn enough to afford a user-pays system. I’d love it if we could be more independent, but until we’re paid what we’re worth it’s just not a reality. I get the feeling that it’s somewhat the same in the ‘States.

  8. Greg Gagnon says:

    Now I am listening to these again and taking notes. There is some great stuff in here. I have three new books to read (Dave’s, Healthy Competition and Ascent of Money, already read Robb’s).

    Is there a link to the Study about Medicare hitting 300% of GNP? Maybe we could start a separate thread with nothing but references to docs/studies on the cost of things? We suffer an embarassment of data and a dearth of intelligence (analyzed data). Catching up is hard to do.

    Some of my favorite lines from this episode:
    Nothing has always been like this. Everything is an experiment.
    Today’s solutions are tomorrrow’s problems.

    Great thoughts. Thanks guys.