30 Responses to Controversial Truth Episode 9

  1. Ryan says:

    Great podcast guys! Glad you’re back in the saddle!

    I’ll throw my hat in the ring and say I’d certainly be interested in the Doomsday Prepper Package – Paleo Remix.

    Thanks for continuing to do what you guys do and giving so much.

  2. LP Johnson says:

    Rally the troops!!!
    Dearest Robb,
    I am sure you will reach this conclusion on your own, but I want to point it out. Your message of action, self-reliance, and accountability is shattered if you do too much leg work for us on “the paleo survival packs.” You’re talking to the group that is supposed to fix America by taking action! I know you are coming from an altruistic place by making this offer, but part of our problem as Americans is that we are willing to pay to be taken care of. Tough love time, Robb! Give us some key words to Google for food storage and your job as our leader is done (on the emergency preparedness front, anyway). Relax! We can do this!

  3. Renee says:

    Hey guys, thoughts on book club housekeeping:

    Can you throw up either next week’s podcast post ahead of time as a placeholder (with the podcast added later), so we can keep all the questions related to that chapter under the podcast that it belongs to? Or even a separate book club post if you wanted to keep things segregated.

    Thrilled you guys are still trudging along!

    • dduley says:

      GREAT idea Renee….I will do that on the episode 10 page (for episode 11. Thanks for listening and participating

  4. Much better mood this go-round guys. Love the podcast, glad to hear you’re keeping it up and fleshing out the structure.

    Got the book, will get cracking on that chapter during all the labor I’ll be exerting this weekend. Glad you talked about food storage idea, I’m going to get cracking on that right away as well (maybe I ask Mitt Romney for pointers?). Independence garden here we come.

    A little background, I work in finance but still consider myself one of the good guys. Graduated in ’07 right before the shiznit hit the fan and was able to stay in corporate America despite layoffs etc. In my last semester of school, I took a financial derivatives class and our professor passed off collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps as the next best thing since sliced bread. I wish I had known what Murphy’s law was at the time and shorted all those failed mortgage companies…

    With all that being said, it sounds like our book club may start getting us towards this topic, but I would like to suggest covering what financial independence REALLY is, and how to achieve it. So many people have no clue how to track/balance their own personal finances. I would really like to hear specifically how someone can do that (being debt free, what investments to make, what’s the best health/life insurance policies, is college debt stupid? etc)

    I understand there are other places that are more focused to this specifically (i.e. Dave Ramsay, Clark Howard etc) but it is still an important tenant of being a responsible and independent individual.

    Sorry for another ramble, but while on the college debt subject, I think education alternatives would be another good topic to discuss, You can decide for yourself after doing some research, but I believe tuition-related debt is the next bubble and that higher-education has been subsidized for way too long and a collapse of some magnitude will occur in the near future… Similar to healthcare, it would be cheaper if the free-market were allowed to play itself out. Of course, it starts at the high school level with the abolishing of career oriented courses in placement of “college prep” courses along with a million other things that I can’t mention in this short(ish) post.

    Again, it gets back to being responsible and knowing your alternatives before you sign up for +$20k of tuition-related debt. (don’t tell me about the problem without offering a solution, that whole jibe)

    I know you get a ton of comments and these two topics don’t fit directly into the flow of what’s being covered lately, but I hope you keep them in your back pockets for future reference as potential new material.

    • dduley says:

      Great point Jonathan. We will tackle this stuff in some of the upcoming podcasts. Thanks for listening and chiming in…we appreciate it!

  5. Woodsoul says:

    I’m glad to hear you’ve decided to take up actionable approaches to making things better! I just have two short comments, which I regret are only tangentially related to today’s show.

    First, people interested in “How to Fix America” should also check out Dan Carlin’s podcast, Common Sense, where he’s been talking for a long time about the problems with the US political system. (I also recommend his other show, Hardcore History). If you do decide to have a guest sometime, maybe Dan would be good to have; I’m sure you’d agree on a lot.

    Second, it seems you’re skeptical of climate science?! You know, it’s pretty solid science (not like epidemiology), and if you want to know what the world is going to look like in next century, you need to take it seriously. Mind you, as an anarchist I’m certainly not suggesting that government should do anything about it, but as individuals, and communities, we should be prepared for how things will develop if current trends continue, and try to work out ways to make things more pleasant. A good place for solid information is the Azimuth Project‘s page on Global warming.

  6. Sonny says:

    What makes the State Bank of North Dakota unique?
    How was Andrew Jackson able to be the only US president to pay off the entire US debt? Is this related to his opposition to the Nationsl Bank?
    Also, if Germany was in massive debt and suffered the 1929 depression as well, how did Hitler get the economy pumping full steam and how did he fund the wehrmacht in such a short time?

  7. Ryan says:

    A group buy for some Paleo Doomsday Package would be cool. Personally only looking for the food/caloric intake side since I have water covered. Not sure a 2 yr old, even one who eats paleo, will like living on coconut oil but I guess he will do what he has to. The podcast is great, but I’m in agreement with everything you guys have said so not much is a shocker. The truth hurts.

  8. Kit says:

    Been working on food storage for over a year, but since discovering Rob’s approach to eating as the solution to my pernicious gut problems last November, I’ve been stuck on top dead center. Most approaches to the ‘deep pantry’ problem (and there are a mind-boggling number of them) lean heavily on legumes and grains. Not such a stellar idea to stockpile against the threat of malnutrition when I’ll inevitably have bowel problems from those very foods.

    Thanks for the idea of bulk containers of coconut oil. That’s one of the first economically sensible ‘paleo’ stocking ideas I’ve heard, at least that doesn’t require a freezer and an attached electric utility infrastructure. I am looking into canning and biltong-style meat preservation, but any sensible approach you guys come up with for purchasing prepackaged paleo-friendly stuff will generate eternal gratitude, along with a direct instant customer base I think.

  9. Craig says:

    An episode 8 commenter requested no more “paleo bunker” discussions. I should have seconded it then, but I will now. I understand the concept is intended to provide peace of mind in uncertain times, but I think it’s ultimately counterproductive. What continually proves the Malthusian view wrong in all its manifestations over the years? The same thing that’ll prevent us from spending three times GDP on healthcare three decades from now, or whatever it is: innovation. People argue over government/allocation models like we just need to hammer out the right organizational method to coast into the Promised Land, but it’s always technological innovation that gets us through (to the next crisis). And you don’t innovate from a defensive stance.

    Specialization is at the heart of the market economy and for years I’ve outsourced my verdicts on health matters to a large degree to you, Robb (paleo follower going back to the performance menu days, Paleo Solution listener since episode 1), which is why I’m not so sure this “let’s learn finance together” kind of approach is the best use of your talents and expertise. It’s not that I doubt your capability of grappling with the subject, but I currently listen to two econ podcasts with hosts that are already experts. I don’t have to wait for them to mature into the role. And no qualms here Robb with you “getting political”. As a libertarian it wouldn’t have bugged me if you’d taken the PS podcast more in that direction even (although with the diversity of your listener base it’s probably good you didn’t). But when venturing into new terrain why not branch out from your knowledge base rather than parachute directly into foreign land?

    This way you instantly mobilize your base without going through the awkward stages of trying define your base anew. And it doesn’t have to be Paleo vs. the world. There’s enough underutilized affinity right now among ostensibly disparate groups that can really be mobilized for change. For example (short of carrying all your eggs in one basket), make the issue of government agricultural subsidies your primary target. As much as you’ve talked about this I’m still not clear on how it works and who’s getting away with what. It seems the clear overlap between the libertarians and the more strictly left-leaning camps is this enfeebled disgust at corporate interests at the helm of the government. We toss our votes around every which way and it only gets worse. Look at the Occupiers: the most they could come up with was to just sit around outside the front door. “We’re as mad as hell and we’re kind of not going to take it anymore…” So why not form a kind of ad hoc partnership on at least this level of agreement. And you’ve got the platform to do it. Start it with a Vegan/Paleo/Green alliance against agricultural subsidy. Organize a Monsanto boycott (if you can somehow figure out a way to cast them in an unfavorable light…) with a few exposés if that’s not too naive for the complexities of the situation. Educate us.

    On the healthcare front let government factions and lobbyists argue for the next decade over the best path to healthcare reform. Meanwhile, get chummy with Silicon Valley (23andme, curetogether, self quantifiers, lab-grown meat and so on—I like the projects you’ve alluded to that will allow cheaper diagnostics on a privatized level) and innovate them out of business. We’re wary of big government because it presupposes that it’s possible for any one faction to achieve enough of a global view over the market to understand it (without realizing it that “understanding” the market alters the market). With technology progressing at an increasingly rapid pace government’s inability to keep up with the cutting edge will more and more be its handicap. It’ll reach the point where the front line of innovation will be five generations ahead of what the government is actually trying to legislate (government couldn’t survive to that state of decrepitude without adapting but it’s a helpful caricature). Use this shortfall against government and innovate. Please get out of that defensive crouch and climb out from your paleo bunker!

    I like you a lot Robb (sorry Dave I’ve got a much longer history with this guy) and no doubt I’m going to keep listening to this show—until I peg you for a luddite. (Sorry, that’s a joke, not an ultimatum.) But really, you’re always railing against fear based response and it’s hard for me to see how this falls outside that category.

    • Craig! thanks for the LONG and veyr thoughtful comment.

      Which econ podcasts do you listen to?

      Sorry about the Paleo-bunker gig! i went back and forth on this, but be strong! it’s the only time I’ll go too deep on that. When we look at events like Hurricane Katrina It’s nto outside the realm of experience for folks to find themselves in a dicey situation in which some water, food and bit of fore-planning might save them significant hardship.

      Great ideas, I ahve added them to my “good ides” folder.

      • Craig says:

        Podcasts are: EconTalk. More libertarian leaning with a good mix of non-econ guests from time to time. Actually Gary Taubes was a guest twice and DeVany was on too.

        And then Surprisingly Free Conversations which is less strictly econ…”An eclectic mix of authors, academics, and entrepreneurs at the intersection of technology, policy, and economics.”

        I recognize that it’s not at all outside of the realm possibility that some thoughtful rations could be employed to prevent hardship, and being that I don’t have a wife and kids I’m sure the concern dynamics are a little different. One of the prediction fallacies that Danny Kahneman uncovered, though, in the behavioral econ world is that people judge an event’s likelihood by how easily they can bring to mind similar examples and from the saliency of those examples. So then there’s this cross section of pop-culture that’s just teeming with apocalyptic scenarios. The zombie or robot apocalypses are just kind of memes that seem at best harmless and at worst dumb. And we have no trouble dropping the ZOMBIE or ROBOT part from the equation but it’s a foregone conclusion that some flavor of apocalypse is fairly likely. Hopefully that doesn’t sound too curmudgeonly, because the point is not to be a killjoy but that all this stuff hides much less glamorous but far more optimistic statistical trends like the ones Ray Kurzweil illustrates (you can take a useful look at the trends themselves without wading too deep into all the Singularity stuff) and the stuff that Steven Pinker has recently shown where on nearly any metric you can think to measure it, violence has been on a downward trend since the beginning of recorded history (and prehistory) so that we’re now living in the least violent time ever. Giving ear to anything resembling apocalypse talk makes me feel like I’m warping my mental models of the world.

        And thanks for the response–mostly I’m just delighted to know that my comment was read!

  10. jeni says:

    I love the idea of the apocalypse food calculator but agree with one other commentor – that packaging it all up neatly with a little bow is exactly what this crowd doesn’t need. We need the motivation and the information and then we need to Do It Ourselves (which is the whole frickin point, no?). But I do appreciate the offer, Rob for you to take so much of your time to put something like that together.

    I also want to say that I look forward to each podcast. I have learned so much from you guys this summer and even bought the ICFA book. I have learned that I am less of a democrat than I thought and I really like this new view I have of the world. I feel more empowered. So thanks and keep of the awesome work, you two!

  11. Kathy says:

    Glad you’re hangin’ in there, guys!!

    In the spirit of sharing info. . .anyone who thinks they have no room for growing veggies should take a look at pictures on pinterest. . .search for “pallet garden” and “rain gutter garden”. Brilliant ideas for use of reject materials in small spaces.

    I think I’ll start buying up some canned salmon and tuna this week to start my food supply. And some seeds for growing.

    Thanks for the motivation! Keep going. . .we need to do this.

  12. John Harris says:

    Thanks for hanging in there. A few quick things.

    1. I’m interested in paleo food storage ideas or kit, if for no other reason than to get my parents to stop filling the barn with wheat and beans.

    2. I listen to the podcast mostly from my car. I’d love to have a reading list posted somewhere so I can keep myself educated. My business school education was probably not even as good as Dave’s.

    3. The podcast is great and your style is endearing to your fans (groupies, followers, disciples, minions . . whatever you want to call us). You come to the table as a couple of guys who want to help, and listeners are given the feeling that they are sitting in on a phone conversation. Because you seem so approachable, you are going to get a ton of brotherly (or motherly or fatherly) advice from your listeners. My little bit of brotherly advice is this:
    You can’t please everyone so just keep doing what you do.

    4. Thanks for doing this.

    • dduley says:

      Will do….check out the show notes that we will be putting up. Thanks for the insight and support…we appreciate it!

  13. dduley says:

    Thanks Ben….check out the next episode as we tackle the intro and 1st chapter and let us know how we did! We will try to tweak as we move along.

  14. Paleo K8 says:

    I am SO DOWN with the idea of Robb’s Package of Paleo Preparedness Items!! I was prepared to do all the legwork on my own, but it sounds like some community members here are going to help Robb organize a website, get this thing together & get it to us….hey, sounds a bit like tribal community!…isn’t that part of what Robb & Dave are going for? 🙂

    Also – I would SERIOUSLY be into the idea of having self-betterment topics like “how to save” “how to build a sustainable life” “small biz-owner topics” etc.
    Since neither Romney nor Obama can decide who actually “built that” – I’m cool w/ letting Robb & Dave help me build my best life possible (i.e. tons of cash reserves, a small-business that builds to be highly successful for the long-term, no reliance on govt support EVER, understanding how the hell you preserve/can/dry food out of the garden so that it lasts through a winter…etc 🙂

  15. Eugenio says:

    I want in on the doomsday accessory package.
    Loving the podcast, but it makes me want to turn all my assets to land in Brasil, were I can farm and fish all year. And not have to worry about the weather, just a little bit of contrast to Massachussets.

    Thank you for all the great info

  16. jnickell says:

    Robb, I’m very interested in creating sustainable food for my family so that I am less dependent on groceries and even local farmers. Plus, i want to make sure I have access to high quality foods. That way I can protect myself from food inflation and have a tradable good if I needed it. My problem is I don’t know anything about farming. Any good books or sources that I can look into so I could learn how to run a small family farm and what I would need to accomplish it? Nothing big, a few grass fed cattle, some chickens, a small orchard, and a vegitable garden. I tried dr google and the hardest part is finding info on small sustainable farms with grass fed cows. Most of the small farm info is for corn fed cows… Thanks for what you guys are doing!

    Josh